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Title: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: sele137 on November 30, 2008, 10:08:40 PM
A Glute Abscess - My Story

Article by MuscleTalk Member Phil
October 2008

The following is the full account of my recent experiences with the development of a rather nasty abscess and the aftermath; it's quite a long story but I'm sure you'll find it makes good reading...

I've been training for over 12 years, competing for four, I have used anabolic steroids on and off for probably around seven years. I would describe myself as fairly knowledgeable and experienced and I have administered literally hundreds of injections to myself and others with no problems at all; that was until August this year...

Eight days out from a show I did a 1ml shot of Winstrol depot to my right pec; I aborted the shot as it blocked the needle. I didn't inject any steroid and I did the shot elsewhere, but my pec swelled to double its normal size and after three days the injection site, although painless, had swollen and now had a 6cm swollen lump under the skin. By the show day it hadn't gone down and I pulled out of the show on the day as it was so obvious.

I visited A&E that afternoon. The doc diagnosed a 'haematoma' (also known as a 'sterile abscess'). I'd caught a blood vessel doing the jab, it had bled into the muscle, and the blood hadn't been able to escape so pooled causing the lump. I was given a course of antibiotics to safeguard against infection.

I got my head down and trained and dieted two more weeks competing in Leicester taking 2nd in my class but not qualifying for the British Finals. I'd had a hell of a time carbing up with terrible guts unable to tolerate carb loading; which I think maybe was due to the antibiotics.

I set my sights on Birmingham three weeks later and again returned to the strict diet and cardio. I had three weeks and restarted my prep course - test prop, tren ace, winnie depot and winnie oral for two weeks; show day was 28th September.

I had my last shot of winnie depot on Friday 19th Sept. I was also due 1ml of test prop that day so i loaded the winnie depot and test prop into the same barrel and injected my right glute nice and deep with a blue. Prior to injection I had washed my hands, cleaned my glute with surgical spirit and cotton wool and observed sterile handing procedures of all injection paraphernalia.

By Monday 22nd my glute was very sore. I thought nothing of it. By Tuesday it was causing me to limp and my 2 hours of cardio was very uncomfortable. By Wednesday 24th I was in real pain sitting, driving and lying on my right side. My glute had started to swell in size, and my show was only 4 days away! I didn't use antibiotics or visit the doc, I was so focused on the show and I know antibiotics make me hold lots of water. The swelling remained and slowly increased all week; I spent many hours lying with ice packs on the muscle to reduce inflammation.

On the 28th September I went to Birmingham on the back seat of my car lying as comfortably as possible and cursing the sports suspension! Once weighed in, I found a quiet back room and didn't really move from the floor, I managed to get use of a fridge with an ice compartment and kept putting ice packs on my glute. I was downing Nurofen and paracetamol every couple of hours and just about staying on top of the pain and swelling.

I stepped on stage in decent enough condition, but not carrying enough size and I was a little watery (due to the infection I didn't know I'd got). I was unable to really pose my hamstrings or hit my side shots properly; I could not push my left knee against my right hamstring as the swelling restricted my flexibility. I took 3rd in my class.

I awoke Monday morning and swelling was still there and still very painful. I managed to drive to the NHS drop-in centre and presented the nurse with my swollen bum cheek and told her what I'd done. She went to get a 2nd opinion as she wasn't sure. Her superior looked at it and said it was not an abscess because it was too big! They sent me off with a script for antibiotics and I was told to use ibuprofen and paracetamol every few hours.

Wednesday 1st October - still in a real mess, limping badly, painful walking, standing, sitting, bending, etc. Went to GP for an emergency appointment and a second opinion. She said I had a large haematoma caused by the injection. It was localised bleeding and bound to be painful due to its location. I queried that it might be an abscess but she said no as that would have a head on it and be boiling hot to touch. I went away uncertain but not knowing what else to do.

Thursday I was back in the gym for a back session. I felt great after the recent carb up – at least it took my mind off the discomfort for a bit.

By Friday 3rd October I was still no better. I got out of the shower in the morning and my other half saw me and nearly dropped her cup of tea! I went and looked properly in a mirror; she was right, it was even bigger and now had a definite head on it. I rang the doctor I had seen, told her it was bigger, hotter and now had a head. She said “Yeah that's okay, it's not infected, don't worry you'll be okay. It will go down.” I came off the phone feeling a bit lost.

I went away that weekend to watch the Leeds show and I was in pain all weekend. I drove my training partner up as he was competing. I trained Saturday afternoon at a great gym in Leeds called Altered Image, a great hardcore gym. I trained delts and tris and it took my mind off the pain until I tried doing seated shoulder press! I hobbled round all weekend and collapsed into bed Sunday night worn out.

Monday 6th October - swelling was even more pronounced:

(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/3873/gluteabscessuw3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Late evening, after training chest and biceps!, I went to A&E at midnight I saw a doctor at 4am, she took one look and was like “Bloody Hell, that's a huge abscess, you need admitting and you need to see a surgeon right away.” At 5.30am on Tuesday 7th October I saw a surgeon, and he told me that I had a massive abscess which was badly infected, that it would need to be removed and that he was going to put me on the emergency list for surgery. It was at this point that I realised things were going badly wrong!
I was put on nil-by-mouth, and I rang my girlfriend who brought me down a wash bag, a book and of course some protein drinks! (Nil-by-mouth, except for protein, that is!).

They finally took me off for general anaesthetic at 8pm. I didn't know what to expect. I was told they needed to make an incision to drain out the puss. I came round about 10pm that night and all I wanted to do was eat, which the nurses found strange as most people feel crap after anaesthetic!

Wednesday 8th October - morning walkround by the surgeon. He told me they had drained 900ml of puss from my ass cheek; yes, you read that right - in perspective that's nearly three cans of coke, or the shaker bottles we mix our protein drinks in hold 700ml - that's a hell of a lot of puss! He said they had to cut a lot deeper than expected and the wound was very large, 6 inches in length and more than an inch deep. It would take three months to heal. My world seemed to be coming apart at this point.

To further put the frighteners on me, they told me they were very worried about my hip joint - due to the depth of the abscess and the volume of it, the puss had been trying to find a way out, normally it would come to the surface and burst, but with me it had been pushed against the bone of the hip joint. They were worried about bone infection and septicaemia (blood poisoning). By now i was having visions of losing my whole bloody leg!

Later that day they changed my dressing. An abscess is not stitched up post-op like a normal wound as it will become re-infected. Instead, they leave the wound open and pack it with sterile packing; it effectively heals from the inside out. While the nurse was out the cubicle I took a sneaky photo of the wound:

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As you can imagine, seeing as I had this was a bit of a stomach churner - I couldn't believe the sheer size of the wound!

I was extremely lucky that each day my girlfriend brought me down a cool bag full of good healthy food - chicken salad, natural yoghurt and peptide, etc - this at least meant I could keep some level of normality with my eating habits and not feel like I was wasting way, which would have been the case on hospital food!

Thursday 9th October my dressing was changed and the wound re-packed. I took another photo; this one shows the wound packed with sterile packing to absorb tissue exudate – it's really sick!

(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7402/gluteabscess3wr0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Following my dressing change on Friday 10th October with the tissue viability nurse present, the decision was made to keep me in for observation over the weekend, the wound was still infected with Staph aureus (common bacteria). I was being pumped full of IV antibiotics until the weekend when I went over to orals. A nurse measured the wound today at 14cm long, 4cm wide and 3cm deep!

The dressing was being changed daily, but despite loads of packing it was leaking exudate constantly and by the time of each dressing change it was all soggy and generally unpleasant, although I could walk around with a lot less pain than before the op!

Time dragged on and I amazed all the nursing staff that I could spend all day eating. One of them got so worried she demanded I be weighed every day expecting me to be piling on loads of weight, so she was most puzzled by the fact that my weight was coming down (water rebound post show had been huge and was finally subsiding LOL!).

On Tuesday morning 14th October the tissue viability nurse made the decision to fit me with a vacuum pump. This is a device used post surgery in certain cases. In effect the wound is packed with sterile absorbent foam and sealed with an air tight dressing out of which a thin tube feeds into a portable vacuum unit. This constantly drains the wound and removes the exudate (tissue run off) preventing it sitting around to become infected and promotes fresh blood flow to the area.

I took another photo of the wound; this was after she had cut away a couple of blood clots - nice!

(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/508/gluteabscess4jo6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Thursday 16th October - the tissue viability nurse changed the dressing on the vacuum pump – ouch! I was given the all clear to leave the hospital that afternoon. The wound now looked like this:

(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8177/gluteabscess5zp0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

I am now at home, though I have a portable vacuum unit to carry around with me. It's about the size of on of the large CD Walkmans from the mid '90s; it chugs away in the background literally sucking the tissue run off out of me. It is believed these devices greatly speed up wound healing!

I took a pic of the vacuum dressing. It makes my ass cheek look rather saggy, but you can clearly see the size of the wound:

(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9990/gluteabscess6ya7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

I'm hoping the scaring, when it finally heals, will be covered by my posing trunks. I was desperate to get back into the gym. I'd been told to take a few weeks off, but after two weeks I couldn't hold on any longer and have been doing some upper body work, just being very careful how I stretch and bend, etc. Having just finished months of strict dieting and cardio to being totally inactive was a real nightmare. And I have to admit to a bit of overeating, I certainly don't look quite pre-contest anymore!

I also tapered off my gear cycle while in hospital. I had just started a post contest rebound of oxy and test prop five days before I went into hospital, hoping to capitalise on the long diet phase, so i didn't want to cold turkey the gear. Hence I was injecting while sitting in a hospital bed having had an abscess removed from a bad injection - kind of ironic really! As mad as that may sound I timed it so that the day I came home from hospital I was ready for my first lot of HCG.

I ran 4IU of GH on waking each day even when in hospital, I'm sure this can do nothing but help the healing process. The doctors cannot explain why the abscess developed; their only advice is don't use steroids; thanks but no thanks!

Now I'm back home and indulging in some training. I'm using 2IU of GH first thing and 6IU post workout. I will start a new course in a few months after a proper clean out, in the mean time I will run PCT and cycle IGF in 4 week bursts with a base of GH daily until my next course. Next course will depend wholly on when I'm back to 100% full bore training.

I am now having the dressing changed three times a week and the tissue viability nurse came to see me and commented that there was loads of granulation occurring. This is crucial to the healing process; it's also nice and clean and healing nicely. I took a photo last Friday (24th October) showing how it's healing:
(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7518/gluteabscess7zj8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

The reason I wanted to write this article was to make people aware that no matter how careful you are, and how clean you think your injection technique is, you are at risk. I would never have believed this could happen to me. I have preached to people about clean technique so many times; I always aspirate, clean the area and equipment, etc.

The other crucial point I want you all to come away with after reading this is that if you have had a shot and it doesn't feel right many days later, and it hurts, then get help ASAP. And, if you're not happy, go back for 2nd, 3rd and 4th opinions until you get taken seriously. Sometimes we get fobbed off because we bring these things upon ourselves in the eyes of the medical world (although it's okay to smoke, drink and be obese!).

I knew my body well enough that even after three lots of medical professionals had told me it was okay, I still knew it wasn't. The surgeon did tell me that had it been dealt with eight days earlier when I first went for medical help it would have been a lot, lot smaller and easier to treat and not made anywhere near such a mess. Also rather frighteningly, he told me left any longer I could have had serious bone / joint infection (arthritis in later years, loss of function, etc) and I was only days away from life threatening levels of blood poisoning!

Sobering thoughts! Please be careful out there, and remember to take this side of body building very seriously - it's not a game!




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Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Lazic on November 30, 2008, 10:10:50 PM
uh..strahote li teske..video sam ovo ranije  :boxed:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Mesozder on December 01, 2008, 12:48:17 AM
Uzas  :nonono:
Pogotovo kad se sjetim koliko ima ljudi koji uopce neznaju sta, koliko i zasto uzimaju (na ovom forumu).
Mozda ce sada biti manje onih koji upadaju sa pitanjima tipa : "prijatelj mi je nabavio clen i ja ga uzimam, ali neznam sta je to zapravo, pa molim da mi se objasni".  :wallbash1:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Hans on December 01, 2008, 01:23:59 AM

The reason I wanted to write this article was to make people aware that no matter how careful you are, and how clean you think your injection technique is, you are at risk. I would never have believed this could happen to me

ovo mi sad u glavi odzvanja....


auuu bre sele sto si moro bas sad,sto ne saceka jedno dva meseca bar da vec budem na gear-u  :lol: sad ce opet hipohondar u meni proraditi  :hitself:



ali ono dobrar text...lepo oslikava i onu fanaticnost nas ludaka koji i kad zaglavimo neki virus idemo u teretanu i cak i kad nam se povraca trpamo meso i jaja...ali ne daj boze nikom...ono najgore je bas ova recenica-no matter how careful you are, and how clean you think your injection technique is, you are at risk
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: sele137 on December 01, 2008, 07:29:40 AM
Da ovo je uvijek moguce da se desi ali ako koristite sterilne tehnike,dovoljno duboko u misic ubrizgavate i koristite "human grade" steroide onda su veoma male sanse ili nikakve da vam se ovo desi!!!
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: milan90sd on December 01, 2008, 07:57:18 AM
e ovo nikad necu da uzimam
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Vojkan on December 01, 2008, 09:54:44 AM
Uzimao ne uzimao teba znati,odlican text.
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Mr.X on December 01, 2008, 12:32:11 PM
Vec vidjeno......i uopste nije sretan zavrsetak.....rezultat nemarnosti ,sele svaka cest na ovoj temi!!!!!!!!Dodao bi jos jedno.....nikako ne davati injekciju ako niste sigurni gde treba dati......rezultat moze da bude jako slican ovome,a preko svega je moguce stecenje nerava!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Svemirac on December 01, 2008, 02:22:09 PM
odvratno...odlican tekst
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Anabolic123 on December 01, 2008, 02:59:38 PM
Necu ja steroid jos....  :boxed: haha  :wow:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Bojana2204 on January 09, 2009, 11:35:47 PM
Au,uzas...Mene sve to plasi,zivota mi...Plus,ja sam medicinska sestra,i kad pomislim da neko u kucnim uslovima daje sam sebi bocu,grrrrr.....To da svako moze sam sebi davati injekcije,onda mi medicinski radnici ne bi ni postojali...I vi koji ste prosli bez posledica,samo ste imali srece...Ne treba se igrati zdravljem,i na svoju ruku bilo sta raditi,samo zato jer ste procitali na nekom forumu da to moze tako...
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Hans on January 10, 2009, 12:57:46 AM
ja se zahvaljujem sto se obnavlja ova tema pa sam ponovo video ove slike,a znam sta me sutra ceka,tj danas  :lol: :lol:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Misel Djurovic on January 11, 2009, 05:06:59 PM
Au,uzas...Mene sve to plasi,zivota mi...Plus,ja sam medicinska sestra,i kad pomislim da neko u kucnim uslovima daje sam sebi bocu,grrrrr.....To da svako moze sam sebi davati injekcije,onda mi medicinski radnici ne bi ni postojali...I vi koji ste prosli bez posledica,samo ste imali srece...Ne treba se igrati zdravljem,i na svoju ruku bilo sta raditi,samo zato jer ste procitali na nekom forumu da to moze tako...

Izvini, a sta mozemo da dodjemo u bolnicu sa lekom, ti ces nam das? Ako je tako super..
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: vuksa on January 11, 2009, 08:12:52 PM
Au,uzas...Mene sve to plasi,zivota mi...Plus,ja sam medicinska sestra,i kad pomislim da neko u kucnim uslovima daje sam sebi bocu,grrrrr.....To da svako moze sam sebi davati injekcije,onda mi medicinski radnici ne bi ni postojali...I vi koji ste prosli bez posledica,samo ste imali srece...Ne treba se igrati zdravljem,i na svoju ruku bilo sta raditi,samo zato jer ste procitali na nekom forumu da to moze tako...

a kakve veze ima sto su kucni uslovi? lekari i sestre ne daju inekcije po kucama?
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Misel Djurovic on January 12, 2009, 02:28:39 AM
a kakve veze ima sto su kucni uslovi? lekari i sestre ne daju inekcije po kucama?

Istina..
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Bojana2204 on January 12, 2009, 10:58:00 AM
Naravno da daju,ali su obuceni gde se koji lek daje i kako.Pogresnim ''bockanjem'' dolazi do infekcije i nekroze tkiva i ovoga sto vidite na slikama...Mogu uslovi biti i sterilni,ali dzabe,ako se lek daje na pogresno mesto i na pogresan nacin...
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: vuksa on January 12, 2009, 11:02:26 AM
ovde je vecina (citaj vecina ne svi) korisnika aas obucena za takva planinarenja :evillaugh:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Bojana2204 on January 12, 2009, 11:06:35 AM
ondaK vam oprastam :yes:...uostalom to je vasa guza,ne moja :clap:hehe,salim se...
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: sele137 on January 12, 2009, 11:09:15 AM
Naravno da daju,ali su obuceni gde se koji lek daje i kako.Pogresnim ''bockanjem'' dolazi do infekcije i nekroze tkiva i ovoga sto vidite na slikama...Mogu uslovi biti i sterilni,ali dzabe,ako se lek daje na pogresno mesto i na pogresan nacin...

Da sve sto kazes je tacno ali ko zeli da se pravilno "obuci" moze to uraditi zabukvalno  30 sec nemora ici u medicinsku skolu...osim toga ova stvar se desila mnogo puta i visoko obucenim ljudima jer se nekada znaju desiti nepredvidene stvari i bez obzira sto je neko dao 1000 injekcija kao i ovaj gore s pocetka price dese se nepredvidene stvari.
Ovu temu sam i postavio nebi li buduce i sadasnje korisnike naveo da se bolje obuce i da koriste sterilne tehnike,pravilna mjesta za ubadanje i da razmisle o koristenju UG steroida!!!
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Bojana2204 on January 12, 2009, 11:15:22 AM
 :agreeflash:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: sele137 on January 12, 2009, 11:27:04 AM
:agreeflash:

Ne ostavljate poruke koje sadrze samo smajlije 
http://www.exyu-fitness.com/forum/index.php?action=pravilnik
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Bojana2204 on January 12, 2009, 11:48:25 AM
oki doki....Nisam bila upucena da se to ne sme...Primila k znanju :thumbup1:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Sasa Ilic on January 12, 2009, 12:47:20 PM
bas sam se zgrozio kad sam video ove slike :boxed: u svakom slucaju poucno je sto je najbitnije  :)
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: mladi bilder on January 27, 2009, 07:32:28 PM
Ako neko prati ultimat fajt mogli ste videti da je Kevin Randleman imao infekciju i slicne otvorene rane kao na ovim slikama slicno. Samo ne znam od cega se on inficirao i sta je koristio, jel zna ko ??
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Zeka Zed on February 08, 2009, 10:38:30 AM
uuuuuuu Uzas cccccc  :nonono: :shocking:Nemam reci
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Db on February 09, 2009, 09:07:05 AM
Lik iz price je idiot, toliko je gluposti u ovoj prici uradio da me uopste ne cudi da je dobio abcess.

BTW lik izgleda ko da u zivotu nije vezbao
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Pedja Petrovic on February 09, 2009, 01:26:58 PM
Lik iz price je idiot, toliko je gluposti u ovoj prici uradio da me uopste ne cudi da je dobio abcess.

BTW lik izgleda ko da u zivotu nije vezbao

zasto mislis da je potrebno biti ili glup ili pametan da bi se stvorio abces???
jel znas nekoga ko je imao ovako nesto slicno pa ovo govoris sa stanovista da ZNAS LICNO ili je ovo samo tvoje oprecno misljenje da je neko idiot jel je popio abces ili obratno...kako god??
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Db on February 09, 2009, 02:05:40 PM
zasto mislis da je potrebno biti ili glup ili pametan da bi se stvorio abces???
jel znas nekoga ko je imao ovako nesto slicno pa ovo govoris sa stanovista da ZNAS LICNO ili je ovo samo tvoje oprecno misljenje da je neko idiot jel je popio abces ili obratno...kako god??
Ne kazem da je potrebno biti glup da bi se dobio abcess, naprotiv to se nekad desava iz ciste slucajnosti(nesterilna substanca...), ali lik iz price je idiot.
Npr i pored toga sto mu je pec brutalno otekao posle inekcije winija on je kasnije isti injektirao i u glutse.
Kad je bilo vec 90% sigurno da je dobio abcess nije uzeo antibiotike(iako je znao da bi mu najverovatnije pomogli) niti je otisao ko doktora na vreme.

Mislim da ima razlike izmedju tvog slucaja i njegovog i ne treba da se osetis prozvanim kad kazem da je lik iz price debil...
Bi li ti naprimer ubrizgao sebi nesto sto ti je pre nekog vremena prouzrokovalo abcess???
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Pedja Petrovic on February 09, 2009, 04:29:56 PM
zasto bih se ja osecao prozvanim?
zbog toga sto me u malo pop nije ljubio u celo zbog abcesa>?
pa ja sam samo jedan OD stari moj..samo jedan..ovakve stvari se desavaju svaki dan i svima i nema tu biranja bio neko glup ili ne...to je na zalost tuzna stvrana ovog sporta....
a posto vidim da me ponznajes onda bi bilo i dobro da znas da se ja sigruno nisam osecao prozvanim vec da ja samo imam jaja da kazem sta mi se desilo i od cega a sve u cilju bas ovoga da ne dodje do ovih i slicnih stvari..
no dobro..bilo kako bilo,neznam dali si ovo rekao ili rekla jel si pod nickom u cilju da obeloadnis da sam ja operisan od abcesa ali to je vec dobro poznata prica koju vrlo rado pricam ko god da me pita
ne zbog toga sto je lepa da se ispirca vec da SE NESTO NAUCI...
elem....
upotreba antibiotika kod abcesa u podmaklom stadijumu NEMA SVRHE...tako da tip nije glupan po tom pitanju...ako vec treba da se vadi delovi..iz konteksta naravno...
upotreba najjacih antibiotika se uglavnom preduzima u post operativnoj fazi i veruj nije ni malo ugodna i nije oralna...nadam se na ne treba da idem u detalje gde se aplicira!!!..
ili da skratim..i da je uzeo antibiotike..bilo bi kasno..a i da ih je uzeo mnogo ranije..pitanje dali bi u opste reagovlai jer obican peniclin ili antibitok protiv upale grla tu ne pomaze vec tu ide mnogo jace supstance koje obican covek i ne poznaje..znaci..nije to pentraxil pa ce da zavrsi posao..na zalost...

to da je on ubrizgavao nesto negde drugde samo govori o njegovom neznanju a ne debilnosti..
jer ni ti se sigruno nisi rodio sa znanjem STA JE ABCES vec si negde procitao...mozda bas moj slucaj  ;) ;)....
znaci..ne treba nekoga nabiti na kolac ako se ne razume..ja imam koelgu koji i pored toga sto ej znao sta se meni desilo je smatrao da se njemu to nikada ne moze desiti,pa je i kada mu je kvads otekao nije hteo da ide kod lekara jer je smtrao da je to nesto drugo a ne abces..
jednostavno ljudi ne veruju dok im se ne dogodi..kao i gomila drugih stvari u zivotu.....
mislim da ne treba reci da je neko debil...jer onda se moze doneti i genralno da smo mi svi . koji sebi dajemo inekcije i rizkujemo..i da onda iz toga proizadje da je debil onaj koji najebe a onaj koji ne nije debil..a istog se maca lacali....
mnogo je to generalizovanje stvari.....

tip je verovatno neki amaer koji od svega zna samo sto je igla i spric..i za to ga treba osuditi i reci da je debil...
a ovo sta mu se dogodilo..jbg....sutra moze i tebi..ne daj boze..samo kazem....nikada neznas

a na tvoje pitanje.....pa ja sam posle operacije izasao na jos 21 takmicenje....!!!!...mislim da ti to daje odgovor.....a to nema veze jel sam uzeo to od cega sam dobio abces..naravno da nisam...ali isto je tako moglo da bude u sledecom drugom vialsu to isto...pa sam ga ipak uzeo..kapish??
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Db on February 09, 2009, 04:44:21 PM
A dobro nije lik bukvalno debil ali je mogao mnogo pametnije i sigurnije da odradi tu kuru to sigurno stoji. Prva stvar mogao je vise da se informise o abcessu, pogotovo nakon onoga sa pectoralisom.


PS:Sto se tice da sam od tvog slucaja naucio o Abcesu to si uglavnom upravu! :)
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Pedja Petrovic on February 09, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
A dobro nije lik bukvalno debil ali je mogao mnogo pametnije i sigurnije da odradi tu kuru to sigurno stoji. Prva stvar mogao je vise da se informise o abcessu, pogotovo nakon onoga sa pectoralisom.


PS:Sto se tice da sam od tvog slucaja naucio o Abcesu to si uglavnom upravu! :)

pa rekoh ja odmah  ;) ;)
a ovde si sigurno u pravu....trebalo je da uci jbg..niko se nije ucen rodio....
u svakom slucaju drago mi je da sam nekome bar za nesto posluzio  :evillaugh: :evillaugh: :evillaugh:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Dusan Todorovic on February 18, 2009, 08:07:04 PM
Strasne slike secam se jednom kada sam ubrizgao test.depo cela noga mi je otekla mislio sam da cu zavrsiti kao onaj Greg Valentino.To mi je trajalo oko 2 nedelje ne znam od cega je to bilo ne verujem da je neka infekcija bila.Otisao sam do apoteka kupio chymoral i palitrex i sve se smirilo.
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: bebac on February 18, 2009, 09:26:53 PM
Strasne slike secam se jednom kada sam ubrizgao test.depo cela noga mi je otekla mislio sam da cu zavrsiti kao onaj Greg Valentino.To mi je trajalo oko 2 nedelje ne znam od cega je to bilo ne verujem da je neka infekcija bila.Otisao sam do apoteka kupio chymoral i palitrex i sve se smirilo.


Dule znači počeo si da se bodeš? Nemoj tako mlad da završiš ko ovaj gore  ;)
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Dusan Todorovic on February 18, 2009, 09:55:07 PM
Moram se bosti...to je takav sport (mislim na takmicarski) gde naturalci ne mogu da ocekuje nesto vise od njega....da ne idem vise u off...nadam se da necu zavrsiti tako....koga interesuje i Lee Priest je imao infekciju http://www.getbig.com/news/2006-03/060831lee.htm
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Hans on February 18, 2009, 10:29:20 PM
ah da setih se,ti nameravas da budes ko Li Prist  :yes:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: vuksa on February 18, 2009, 10:38:45 PM
Moram se bosti...to je takav sport (mislim na takmicarski) gde naturalci ne mogu da ocekuje nesto vise od njega....da ne idem vise u off...nadam se da necu zavrsiti tako....koga interesuje i Lee Priest je imao infekciju http://www.getbig.com/news/2006-03/060831lee.htm
koliko kg imas sad>i koliko si visok?
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Dusan Todorovic on February 18, 2009, 11:34:56 PM
162 cm i 70 kg tezak znaci jos 30 kg :wallbash1:.Planiram da izadjem na takmicenje sa minimum nekih 80 kg.
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: nenadns on February 18, 2009, 11:47:16 PM
bolje da si uzeo da jedes a ne da se bodes...imao bi vremena i za to... ;)
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Dusan Todorovic on February 18, 2009, 11:55:36 PM
Jedem ja...nego ovi u mesari mi ne daju mesa vise sve sam im pojeo nece ostati za sirot narod :hitself: zadnji put kada sam bio u supermarketu svo ono belo meso sam pokupio baba neka se pocela krstiti  :hitself:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: vuksa on February 18, 2009, 11:56:27 PM
162 cm i 70 kg tezak znaci jos 30 kg :wallbash1:.Planiram da izadjem na takmicenje sa minimum nekih 80 kg.
meni ti nisi jasan nikako..znaci ovo ono..hemija a pritoma imas 70kg...ajde da izgledas kao Sinisa Privulovic ali si ti daleko od toga..+ imas dobar bf..za svoje godine si prosek..+ tako mlad mozes samo da se sjebes..ali ti tvrdis da ako hoces da budes sampion u bb moras da se hemijas..videcemo dokle ces stici

ja se odjavljujem iz ove teme..verovatno :evillaugh:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Pedja Petrovic on February 19, 2009, 08:27:16 AM
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chymoral i palitrex i sve se smirilo.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
to lutko
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: AlexanderSS87 on February 21, 2009, 10:56:55 PM
Uzas.... Stvarno uzas....

Nista ne treba prepustati slucaju.....

Znanje je moc....
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Pegasus on February 22, 2009, 12:35:26 AM
Ufff,slike su stvarno uzasne,ali odlicno sto je Sele postavio ovu temu,ipak opreza nikad dosta cak i za one koji vec imaju dosta iskustva sa steroidima,a dobro je i da upozori one koji zele uskoro da pocnu...

Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: marelli on August 28, 2009, 07:57:27 PM
Ja ne vidim nikakve slike, da nije doslo do neke greske?

EDIT

JEl to ovaj text, A Glute Abscess - My Story (http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-glute-abscess.aspx).

Ako jeste, zamalo da padnem u nesvest  :bored:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: sele137 on August 28, 2009, 08:08:17 PM
Et sad se vide slike i jeste taj je text  ;)
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: sele137 on August 30, 2009, 04:32:59 PM
A ovako to izgleda izljeceno (5 mjeseci poslje).

(http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4199/philr.jpg) (http://img503.imageshack.us/i/philr.jpg/)

Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: marelli on August 30, 2009, 05:04:48 PM
Bate, ja kad budem imao znanje kao sele, onda cu da se bodem, ovako nema sanse ....
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: lokk1 on August 30, 2009, 07:35:40 PM
Bate, ja kad budem imao znanje kao sele, onda cu da se bodem, ovako nema sanse ....

nachekacesh se  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: snake85 on August 30, 2009, 07:54:01 PM
covek i kad zna zajebe stavari...a kamoli kad ne zna..
ZNANJE JE MOC!!!
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: sele137 on August 30, 2009, 10:12:39 PM
Znanje je moc.
Znati nesto, sto druga osoba ne zna moze biti od zivotne vaznosti.
Nikada ne mozes znati sve, a sto vise znas cini ti se da nista ne znas.

Ako je neko spremio nekakvu pjesmicu sad je vrijeme da je napise  :lol:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Pedja Petrovic on August 30, 2009, 10:33:39 PM
moj rez nije takav a i neznam pesmice a i imam nekih rezulatata posle toga :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: sele137 on August 30, 2009, 10:46:23 PM
Na engleskom je ali sta ces...

I can feel my muscles begin to bulge with my blood they are totally filled.
Making each time I flex even more impressive giving me more confidence and assurance.
I can only hope the judges will be thrilled.  :lol:

I stand there as noble as a knight in shining armor.
Then the emcee addresses the crowd and announces the winner is me... I did it! I won!

I awake to find that it was only merely a dream and I was just preparing to do my next set.  :lol:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Pedja Petrovic on August 30, 2009, 10:53:59 PM
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Na engleskom je ali sta ces...
ma ne razumijem ja taj jezik  :nonono:,previse mi djeluje nastrano :lol: :lol:

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I can only hope the judges will be thrilled.

noup.........you can not afraid something what or which you didn"t see :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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awake to find that it was only merely a dream and I was just preparing to do my next set. 

   

hhahahhahahahhaa :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
internet sranje...treba doziveti i onda crtati :yes: ;) ;)

i greg valentinao je je najbolje BESTSLER od svih bodi driblera  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: alem on October 01, 2009, 10:00:03 PM
http://www.totallycrap.com/videos/videos_guy_injected_oil_into_his_arms/
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: alem on October 01, 2009, 10:05:29 PM
http://www.alexregnier.com/provincial092.html

znal ko sta je ovo sto curii iz ramenaa....
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Raiden on October 02, 2009, 12:34:20 PM
Isto sto i onom liku iz bicepsa, Sintol ulje (SEO) za povecanje misica  :hitself:
kao sto zene koriste botox i jos kojekakva sranja za povecanje usana sisa dupeta i ostalih predela tela....
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: alem on October 02, 2009, 07:39:58 PM
pa kako tek tako da iscurii nako....a sta je ovo na prvom video jel isto to ulje ili ....
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Raiden on October 02, 2009, 08:11:37 PM
da... a iscuri zato sto na mestu ubrizgavanja u 50% slucajeva zagnoji i pukne koza na mestu uboda od preterane upale
Sarcev je to isto koristio u rukama, pa mu je otislo u krvotok.
Sa tim se ne treba zajebavati ozbiljne su povrede od toga, a i smrt nije iskljucena!
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: vuksa on October 02, 2009, 08:45:52 PM
http://www.alexregnier.com/provincial092.html

znal ko sta je ovo sto curii iz ramenaa....
curi mu gnoj..puko abces
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Zoran Gusic on October 02, 2009, 08:50:39 PM
smorio sam se za medalju.....
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: alem on October 02, 2009, 09:55:58 PM
a ovaj apces jel se to moze dobiti i od ostali steroida koji se koriste kao inekcije testosterona ili samo od ovog syntenol ulja....
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: zzz on October 02, 2009, 10:10:38 PM
pa jel si citao txt sa pocetka ove teme (na engleskom)?!
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: alem on October 02, 2009, 10:48:03 PM
ma nisam neznam engleski slaboo.... :nonono: :dunno:javascript:void(0);
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: zzz on October 02, 2009, 11:05:26 PM
google translation

http://translate.google.com/?hl=en&sl=en&tl=sr (http://translate.google.com/?hl=en&sl=en&tl=sr)
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Raiden on October 03, 2009, 01:38:43 AM
Mozes ga dobiti na bilo kom delu tela i skoro od bilokakvog ne sterilnog ostecenja koze ili tkiva.
APSCES je lokalna gnojna infekcija, odnosno lokalno nakupljanje gnoja na mestu uboda ili neke posekotine gde mogu da prodru mikroorganizmi, npr. mesto uboda aas koje nije dobro sterilisano.
Mozes ga takodje sterilno dobiti "Asepticni Apsces" ili Sterilni Apsces nekim korozivnim inekcionim sredstvom koji razara tkivo nakon ubrizgavanja.
Prodru mikroorganizmi u tkivo i pocnu da ga razaraju i stvaraju oteklinu na tom mestu gde se nakuplja gnoj i smrdljivi gasovi.
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: @Bestia@ on July 08, 2010, 12:44:57 AM
ovo se moze objasniti kao i sudar autom,nekome se ne desi nikad u zivotu a nekome se desi 5 puta,zavisi dosta od srece... svaki put menjanje sprica,igle,vatom koja je natopljena alkoholom premazati povrsinu pre udaranja i posle udaranja inekcije...aspiriranje obavezno,zabode se igla povuce i ako uvuce krv to znaci da je pogodjen krvni sud i da se automatski vadi igla i menja spric,igla itd. ali ako se zna znanje reetko da se moze pogoditi krvni sud...ove instrukcije,malo srece i mozete primati koliko toliko bezbedno..  :lol:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: bbb on July 08, 2010, 01:30:53 AM
vrlo ohrabrujuce :), prirodno imam fobiju od igle i kad vadim krv,jos kad bih gledo dal sam pogodio krvni sud ,uf,ne smem ni da pomislim,iskreno ne bih nikad koristio steroide,previse rizicno...
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: @Bestia@ on July 08, 2010, 11:08:51 AM
i da,kad se povuce tecnost iz bocice ta igla se baca jer moze da se istupi i pokupe bakterije...samo mozes da odes kod nekog medicinskog radnika ali u privatnu kliniku ili bolnicu da ti objasni na kojoj razdaljini od kuka treba da udaras posto ima tacno odredjeno i posledice su svedene na minimum minimuma,moj cale je sebi dao pitaj ku*ac koliko injekcija i nikad nista... ;) a to bodenje nije nista,sta mislis da si nedaj boze seceras,ubrizgavao bi svaki dana po 2 puta sebi insulin u venu.... :yes:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: sele137 on July 08, 2010, 11:19:43 AM
ubrizgavao bi svaki dana po 2 puta sebi insulin u venu.... :yes:

Are you Fucking INSANE?
Zasto bubas gluposti?!
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: @Bestia@ on July 08, 2010, 11:30:12 AM
pre je tako bilo... :lol: sad ima olovka,nsiam siguran gde se daje,cini mi se u triceps,necu da lupam... :innocent:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: sele137 on July 08, 2010, 11:52:09 AM
Nikada se inzulin nije davao u venu i da bubas wtf triceps i suzdrzi se od bubanja na ovom podforumu!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: AnatomyX on July 08, 2010, 12:45:28 PM
Svasta cemo jos cuti od @bestia@
vidjecete, momak je takav talenat da je to nevjerovatno
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: @Bestia@ on July 08, 2010, 01:32:54 PM
sa svojih 15 godina i par meseci moze se reci da sam talenat i da posedujem sasvim dovoljno znanja,sto se tice aas znam osnovno odprilike sta i kako,neke klasicne kure,ne msm. na hgh i insulin koji su mi totalna nepoznanica..a suplementi i ishrana mi nisu ni malo strani,veoma dobro poznajem te oblasti,tako daa....hocu reci da imam vece znanje i od onih koji su mnoogo stariji od mene a da ne pricam o mojim vrsnjacima,to necu ni da poredim,tako da nemoj ti da gledas mene vec svoje du*e... ;) zapitaj se malo sta si ti znao u 15 godina pa uporedi malo samnom,videces da blage veze sa zivotom nisi imao,to sto sad znas nesto ne znaci da ja necu da znam vise u tvojim godinama,cak naprotiv i nemoj da podcenjujes nicije znanje narocito ne nekog ko je nzm. koliko ali sigruno mladji od tebe... :blowkiss:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: bebac on July 08, 2010, 01:36:28 PM
sa svojih 15 godina i par meseci moze se reci da sam talenat i da posedujem sasvim dovoljno znanja,sto se tice aas znam osnovno odprilike sta i kako,neke klasicne kure,ne msm. na hgh i insulin koji su mi totalna nepoznanica..a suplementi i ishrana mi nisu ni malo strani,veoma dobro poznajem te oblasti,tako daa....hocu reci da imam vece znanje i od onih koji su mnoogo stariji od mene a da ne pricam o mojim vrsnjacima,to necu ni da poredim,tako da nemoj ti da gledas mene vec svoje du*e... ;) zapitaj se malo sta si ti znao u 15 godina pa uporedi malo samnom,videces da blage veze sa zivotom nisi imao,to sto sad znas nesto ne znaci da ja necu da znam vise u tvojim godinama,cak naprotiv i nemoj da podcenjujes nicije znanje narocito ne nekog ko je nzm. koliko ali sigruno mladji od tebe... :blowkiss:

Ma sve je to ok da si ti pametan  :) ali nemoj pričati šta neznaš, insulin se ne daje u venu, tj. može čovek da proba prvi i poslednji put  :mf_death:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: @Bestia@ on July 08, 2010, 01:41:29 PM
jbg.,ako neki put pogresim ne trebate mi uzimati za zlo nego da me uputite jer ipak imam dovoljno vremena da se upoznam sa aas u narednm periodu,znam da je zvucalo debilno kao da sam rekao treba ubrizgati test. u venu,umro bi istog trena... :evillaugh:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: wldnbg on July 08, 2010, 01:43:52 PM
@bestia
bas lepo sto ti sve znas, nastavi da ucis
ali nemoj vise da pises na ovom delu foruma- nikog ne zanima   savet 15ogodisnjaka o steroidima a mozes i da naskodis ljudima ako se neko ne daj boze odluci da te poslusa- znaci potencijalno ti je savet smrtonosan
da se ja pitam, slicni tebi bi ako posle prvog upozorenja nastave sa po istom, leteli bespovratno sa foruma
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: @Bestia@ on July 08, 2010, 01:47:44 PM
ok.,pricacu od sad samo ono sto znam asto nzm. pitacu ali na pm.... :rolleyes01:
a ono sto se tice ubrizgavanja sam dobro napisao,zar ne,bar tako rade medicinski radnici ...   :evillaugh:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Milan on July 08, 2010, 03:03:18 PM
dzabe svo znanje ako napravis tako fatalnu gresku
potkozno se daje,cak je ovaj takmicar hans,na svom forumu,rekao da daje intramuskularno sto je ,mislim,isto ozbiljna greska
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: sele137 on July 08, 2010, 04:17:50 PM

potkozno se daje,cak je ovaj takmicar hans,na svom forumu,rekao da daje intramuskularno sto je ,mislim,isto ozbiljna greska

Neki bilderi to rade intramuskularno...brze djeluje inzulin ali samim tim se i povecava  mogucnost komplikacija a i mislim da se na ovaj nacin inzulin ne iskoristava na najbolji nacin!!!
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Sekulla on July 14, 2010, 02:21:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64LlMeqqVQc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64LlMeqqVQc)

Naslov je neadekvatan naravno.
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: CRonaldo on July 14, 2010, 02:32:05 PM
To je synthol a ne roidsi i bilo je vec na forumu
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: Sekulla on July 14, 2010, 02:42:46 PM
Nisam video da je vec bilo. Ok, po cemu znas da je sintol a ne infekcija (od bilo cega) ?
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: CRonaldo on July 14, 2010, 03:37:42 PM
Mozda zato sto se roidsi ne apliciraju u biceps  :idea02:
Title: Odg: Upozorenje za moguce i korisnike steroida (upozorenje...slike su gadne)
Post by: bebac on July 14, 2010, 04:50:14 PM
Mozda zato sto se roidsi ne apliciraju u biceps  :idea02:

Ko ti to kaže... itekako se apliciraju  ;)