Additionally, since it was based on an amino acid infusion, it’s unclear how this would relate exactly to the consumption of meals. Between digestion and the hormonal response that occurs with eating, it may very well be that eating protein would yield a different result than what the above research found using AA infusion.
-AA infusion je bas ono sto nas interesuje ovde lokk1 yes
ovo je text o uticaju frekvencije obroka na izgradnju mishica .. a konkretno istrazivanje se odnosi na sintezu proteina .. a ako ti znash bolji protokol od aa infuzija za te potrebe .. ja slusham .. ja do sada nisam naishao na nishta bolje .. oralni unos otvara vishe pitanja i donosi x promenljivish u istrazivanje .. shto se mene tiche vishe volim ovako dizajnirana istrazivanja (ochigledno ni lyle nema nishta protiv istih .. )
btw link za ovaj text sam postavio chisto da bih pokazao ne samo da nema uticaja na metabolizam nego moze imati pozitivan uticaj na izgradnju mishica ... leucin spike-ovi su kljuchi .. kao i postojanje ,, senzora '' gde celija detektuje promenu fluxa amino kiselina a ne sam nivo amino kiselina ..
opet ova pricha pada u vodu ako unosite 10 000 kcal jer je praktichno nemoguce unositi toliku kolichinu hrane u 2-3 obroka .. samim tim ovo nije text koji se odnosi na takmichare (posebno ako dodamo gear u celu prichu to mnoooogo menja stvari .. iz korena ) nego vishe prosechnom vezbachu u teretani koji hoce malo vishe mishica i naravno malo manje sala ...
ALI OPET OVO NIJE TEMA pa cu se truditi da se fokusiram na prichu o METABOLIZMU I BROJU OBROKA
At this point it would appear that eating too frequently (less than every three hours) has no real benefit, and could possibly be detrimental due to the muscle becoming insensitive to the impact of amino acids. It’s interesting to note the preliminary report above which found increased LBM gains with three versus six meals per day. Perhaps by spacing the meals further apart, greater stimulation of protein synthesis occurred when protein was eaten.
-pricamo o dijetama
pa ..spacing apart znachi napraviti veci razmak izmedju obroka ... samim tim znachi manji broj obroka .. poshto si selektivno quotovala i vadila iz kontexta ja cu samo dodavati ostatak texta potreban da bi se izvukao pravi zakljuchak ..
pa kaze
For the remainder of this chapter, I’ll take three hours to represent the minimum amount of time that should pass between meals. Eating more frequently is unlikely to be beneficialand may very well have a negative effect.
btw ... ja ne vidim ovde rech metabolizam ..molim te fokusiraj se na tu temu ako hocesh o sintezi proteina da prichamo otvori novu temu ..
This yields a duration between meals of anywhere from three to five hours. This should keep the body in an overall anabolic state without causing problems related to too frequent or too infrequent consumption of meals.
-sto znaci da ipak ima veze broj obroka
naravno da ima .. na sintezu proteina i to manji broj obroka se pokazao kao bolji .. na metabolizam nema ...
btw ostatak texta iz kojeg je izvuchen ovaj pasus ..
It appears that eating too frequently could potentially be detrimental to the goal of gaining muscle mass in that muscle tissue becomes insensitive to further stimulation by amino acids, increasing protein oxidation in the liver. Eating more frequently than every three hours would seem to not only be unnecessary (based on the rate of digestion of whole proteins) but could possibly be detrimental.
Given a moderately sized whole food meal, the body will
generally remain in an anabolic state for at least five to six hours (and possibly longer depending on the foods chosen). Conservatively, we might use five hours as the upper limit cutoff for time between meals.
It also plausible that a combination of slow and fast protein sources at a given meal could give the best of both worlds: a spike in AAs to stimulate protein synthesis followed by a slower increase to inhibit protein breakdown.
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Consuming very large amounts of protein at once (as in the protein “pulse” studies discussed above) has an effect similar to a fast protein such as whey, spiking blood amino acids and promoting protein synthesis as well as oxidation (28).
In contrast, spreading protein out in smaller amounts throughout the day has an effect closer to that of casein, inhibiting protein breakdown with a smaller impact on protein synthesis (28).
-ova nam i treba na dijeti ne? sto bi znacilo da nivo aa ipak treba da bude konstanatan recimo?
pa recimo da se slazem sa tobom ali ta rech konstantan automatski eliminishe bilo kakav leucin spike .. misli se u odredjenom okviru od par sati a to postizesh meshanjem izvora AK .. esencijalno za ovu prichu je postojanje padova nivoa AK u krvi kako bi leucin mogao da spikeuje .. iako se relativno slazemo ovde ovo je maksimalno irelevantno za celu prichu o metabolizmu ..
They concluded that earlier studies finding an effect of meal frequency on weight gain (or loss) had more to do with changes in appetite or food intake, not from a direct impact on metabolic rate
kako nije sporno ovo je dijametralno suprotno od onog shto sam ja razumeo da ti prichash .. konstantno si prichala kako broj obroka ima uticaj na metabolizam a sa druge strane sada prichash kako ipak nema ..
However, this is all tangential to the claims being made for metabolic rate. Whether you eat 3 meals per day or 6, if your daily caloric intake is identical, you will expend the same number of calories per day from TEF.
-opet govori 3 ili 6, ne 1 ili 6 a tvoja konstatacija je da je potpuno irelevantan broj obroka. slazem se da je broj kalorija do cije potrosnje dovodi tef isti, i takodje se slazem da je u ukupnom unosu/potrosnji irelevantan, ali uneti veliku kolicinu kalorija u jednom (ili dva) obroka koje ne mogu da se potrose mogu dovesti do stvaranja novih masnih naslaga, ili se pak sve sto uneses iskoristi?
JA NIKAD NISAM REKAO 1 obrok .. jednostavno zato shto neam istrazivanja na koja mogu da se oslonim ..mada opet kazem i IFasting pokazuje ODLICHNE REZULTATE tako da nemoj ni to odbaciti skroz .. mi svo vreme prichamo o par obroka tachnije ja pricham o tome da ljudi ne bi trebalo da se fokusiraju na broj obroka koliko na kvalitet namirnica i generalno na kcal unos .. da li ce to biti 2 ili 5 to zavisi kako kome odgovara ...
pa vidish da shto je veca vremenska razlika izmedju obroka da telo odgovara sa vecom sintezom proteina u tom smislu se vishe absorbuje ... a ako mislish da ce doci do stvaranja sala kod nekog ko je na kcal deficitu ..hmm sumnjam .. ipak njegovo telo troshi energiju u razmaku izmedju obroka ... pa jednostavno zakoni termodinamike .. ne mozesh skladishtiti na deficitu
First and foremost, a 2 vs. 6 meal per day comparison isn’t realistic. As discussed in The Protein Book, a typical whole food meal will only maintain an anabolic state for 5-6 hours, with only 2 meals per day, that’s simply too long between meals and three vs. six meals would have been far more realistic
With regards to muscle mass maintenance and dieting, there is little to discuss: based on the direct research available as well as the general difficulty in stimulating protein synthesis when calories are reduced, a slow/spread pattern of protein intake is clearly optimal. Maintaining continuous low levels of amino acids throughout the day (in addition to increasing total protein intake) to limit the body’s need to mobilize stored body protein from muscle and other tissues should be the goal. A combination of slow proteins combined with evenly spaced meals to keep blood AA levels stable throughout the day would seem to be optimal.
dzaba smo krecili lokk1 a lol
nemoj zaboraviti da se ovde pricha o izgradnji mishica a ne gubljenju masti .. i u tom smislu je nerealno da neko ochekuje rezultate u izgradnji mishica zato shto jednostavno ne moze da unese dovoljnu kolichinu kalorija u 2 obroka .. osim ako nema 60kg ..
vec smo pokrili ovu temu ..njemu jesu bitni relativno stabilni nivoi AK u krvi ali je nuzno da se obezbedi pad da bi moglo doci do skoka leucina .. samim tim to necesh uspeti da postignesh ako su ti obroci na 2 sata razmaka ..
a ako uzmesh u obzir da su njemu evenly spaced obroci od 3-6 sati rekao bih da sam ovo prilichno lepo okrechio
a opet OVO NIJE TEMA ... OFFOVALA SI STRASHNO warnuj se
nigde se ovde ne dotichesh uticaja broja obroka na metabolizam ...