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« Odgovor #50 poslato: Oktobar 04, 2009, 02:15:35 posle podne »
>Med Hypotheses. 2009 Jul 2.
>A "mini-fast with exercise" protocol for fat loss.
>Bahadori B, McCarty MF, Barroso-Aranda J, Gustin JC, Contreras F.
>From the standpoint of promoting leanness, exercise is of most value if oxidation of stored fat is maximized during and following the exercise sessions. Bahadori has proposed that this can best be achieved if prolonged exercise of moderate intensity is performed during a 12-14h "mini-fast" that entails skipping a meal; … Thus, prolonged compliance with such a regimen should lead to steady loss of body fat until a much leaner equilibrium body composition is attained. The feasibility and efficacy of this strategy has been examined in an open pilot study. Participants were asked to perform prolonged, moderate-intensity aerobic exercise at least 3-5 times weekly, nesting each exercise session within a 12-14h mini-fast. No restrictions were placed on daily calorie consumption, but low-fat, low-glycemic-index food choices were recommended. Of the 34 subjects originally enrolled, 27 returned for follow-up evaluations at 6 and 12weeks. During the 12week study, the average fat loss in these 27 subjects - 7.4kg - corresponded to one-quarter of their baseline fat mass. Fasting insulin levels likewise fell by 25%. The rate of fat loss was at least as great in the second 6weeks as in the first, suggesting that fat loss might have persisted for some time if the study had been prolonged. This protocol, combining elements of exercise training, fasting, and low-fat eating, is both sustainable and healthful, and in reasonably compliant subjects may have considerable potential for promoting and maintaining leanness and insulin sensitivity.

malo o ,,starvation mode-u '' ..  :lol: :lol: :lol:
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« Odgovor #51 poslato: Oktobar 04, 2009, 02:21:31 posle podne »
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/meal-frequency-and-mass-gains.html

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/meal-frequency-and-energy-balance-research-review.h
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eo shta lyle kaze o tome ... i btw naravno da sam upravu  :rolleyes01: :rolleyes01:
cini ti se da si u pravu..
jer ti samo znas povrsinu price, a kada zivis u zabludi i teoriji to je kao da ides na mesec iz svog kreveta..
drugo onaj index jedino ako manja vrednost daje veci bmi  :rolleyes01: pa si u pravu  ;)
i sto dajes ove linkove za kupovinu njegovih knjiga, u kojima ionako pise ono sto se odavno zna...
i jos nesto
da si bilder znao bi sto mnogi koriste 10 obroka da bi isli na masu, a ne 2 ili 3 obroka
a da si nekada skidao i radio sa nekim ko skida kilograme znao bi zasto je bolje imati vise manjih obroka.. i sta dobija i gubi time sto ima samo 1 ili 2 obroka


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pa jel znas da citas..pa ja sada radim za zenom koja u 14 dana(prvih sedam nije mrdnula gram, a drugih 7 skinula 2 kg)
i sta moze neko za 7 dana sa nesto obroka da dokaze...glupost ziva..

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« Odgovor #52 poslato: Oktobar 04, 2009, 04:31:03 posle podne »
mrzim kilomeratske postove lol

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Additionally, since it was based on an amino acid infusion, it’s unclear how this would relate exactly to the consumption of meals. Between digestion and the hormonal response that occurs with eating, it may very well be that eating protein would yield a different result than what the above research found using AA infusion.
AA infusion je bas ono sto nas interesuje ovde lokk1  :yes:

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At this point it would appear that eating too frequently (less than every three hours) has no real benefit, and could possibly be detrimental due to the muscle becoming insensitive to the impact of amino acids. It’s interesting to note the preliminary report above which found increased LBM gains with three versus six meals per day. Perhaps by spacing the meals further apart, greater stimulation of protein synthesis occurred when protein was eaten.
pricamo o dijetama
pa onda kaze
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This yields a duration between meals of anywhere from three to five hours. This should keep the body in an overall anabolic state without causing problems related to too frequent or too infrequent consumption of meals.
sto znaci da ipak ima veze broj obroka
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individuals who work jobs and are unable to fit in a meal every three hours needn’t worry obsessively about becoming catabolic
ovo uopste nije sporno, 5+ obroka nije da ne bi ulazili u katabolizam nego da ne bi krenuli da se prezderavaju, da drze glad/zelju pod kontrolom

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It also plausible that a combination of slow and fast protein sources at a given meal could give the best of both worlds: a spike in AAs to stimulate protein synthesis followed by a slower increase to inhibit protein breakdown.
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Consuming very large amounts of protein at once (as in the protein “pulse” studies discussed above) has an effect similar to a fast protein such as whey, spiking blood amino acids and promoting protein synthesis as well as oxidation (28).
In contrast, spreading protein out in smaller amounts throughout the day has an effect closer to that of casein, inhibiting protein breakdown with a smaller impact on protein synthesis (28).
ova nam i treba na dijeti ne? sto bi znacilo da nivo aa ipak treba da bude konstanatan recimo?

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They concluded that earlier studies finding an effect of meal frequency on weight gain (or loss) had more to do with changes in appetite or food intake, not from a direct impact on metabolic rate
ovo nikad nije bilo sporno, mozda smos e pogresno razumeli

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However, this is all tangential to the claims being made for metabolic rate. Whether you eat 3 meals per day or 6, if your daily caloric intake is identical, you will expend the same number of calories per day from TEF.
opet govori 3 ili 6, ne 1 ili 6 a tvoja konstatacija je da je potpuno irelevantan broj obroka. slazem se da je broj kalorija do cije potrosnje dovodi tef isti, i takodje se slazem da je u ukupnom unosu/potrosnji irelevantan, ali uneti veliku kolicinu kalorija u jednom (ili dva) obroka koje ne mogu da se potrose mogu dovesti do stvaranja novih masnih naslaga, ili se pak sve sto uneses iskoristi?

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First and foremost, a 2 vs. 6 meal per day comparison isn’t realistic. As discussed in The Protein Book, a typical whole food meal will only maintain an anabolic state for 5-6 hours, with only 2 meals per day, that’s simply too long between meals and three vs. six meals would have been far more realistic

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With regards to muscle mass maintenance and dieting, there is little to discuss: based on the direct research available as well as the general difficulty in stimulating protein synthesis when calories are reduced, a slow/spread pattern of protein intake is clearly optimal. Maintaining continuous low levels of amino acids throughout the day (in addition to increasing total protein intake) to limit the body’s need to mobilize stored body protein from muscle and other tissues should be the goal. A combination of slow proteins combined with evenly spaced meals to keep blood AA levels stable throughout the day would seem to be optimal.
dzaba smo krecili lokk1 a lol


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« Odgovor #53 poslato: Oktobar 04, 2009, 08:49:57 posle podne »
Vise jedite manje studirajte lol
Sampioni su oni koji se ponovo dignu sa dna!!!

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« Odgovor #54 poslato: Oktobar 04, 2009, 09:27:13 posle podne »
Kako ti sasa_86 kazes :)

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« Odgovor #55 poslato: Oktobar 05, 2009, 10:27:17 posle podne »
mrzim kilomeratske postove lol
AA infusion je bas ono sto nas interesuje ovde lokk1  :yes:
pricamo o dijetama
pa onda kaze sto znaci da ipak ima veze broj obrokaovo uopste nije sporno, 5+ obroka nije da ne bi ulazili u katabolizam nego da ne bi krenuli da se prezderavaju, da drze glad/zelju pod kontrolom
ova nam i treba na dijeti ne? sto bi znacilo da nivo aa ipak treba da bude konstanatan recimo?
ovo nikad nije bilo sporno, mozda smos e pogresno razumeli
opet govori 3 ili 6, ne 1 ili 6 a tvoja konstatacija je da je potpuno irelevantan broj obroka. slazem se da je broj kalorija do cije potrosnje dovodi tef isti, i takodje se slazem da je u ukupnom unosu/potrosnji irelevantan, ali uneti veliku kolicinu kalorija u jednom (ili dva) obroka koje ne mogu da se potrose mogu dovesti do stvaranja novih masnih naslaga, ili se pak sve sto uneses iskoristi?
dzaba smo krecili lokk1 a lol

hahha necemo se tako igrati .. selektivno i pogreshno tumachenje istrazivanja i textova ..

neam sad vremena editovacu sutra
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« Odgovor #56 poslato: Oktobar 05, 2009, 11:06:40 posle podne »
O zdravom nacinu zivota sam tek pocela da ucim i zaista ne znam mnogo mozda tek mrvicu ali sam odlucila da napisem svoje licno iskustvo po pitanju obroka....
Od kad znam za sebe imala sam 1 do 2 obroka dnevno i gde sam stigla do 130 kg. Ne kazem da je broj obroka najzasluzeniji za to ali u kombinaciji sa onim prezderavanjem koje je Und pomenula kao i hrana koja je prava katastrofa svakako jesu! Od kako pratim ovaj forum, ucim o zdravom zivotu, promenila ishranu, naravno broj obroka (sada ih imam 5-6 dnevno) kilogrami padaju i zaista sam prezadovoljna. Ko je citao moju temu zna o cemu pricam. Dobro postoje naravno i odredjene poteskoce ali sta u zivotu ide lako! U teoriji zaista ne znam sta je ispravno a sta ne, znam samo sta se u mom slucaju pokazalo kao daleko bolje tj jedino ispravno a to je zdrava hrana pravilno podeljena u vise manjih obroka!



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« Odgovor #57 poslato: Oktobar 05, 2009, 11:14:18 posle podne »
buckin komentar ima dvostruku tezinu :evillaugh:

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« Odgovor #58 poslato: Oktobar 06, 2009, 09:18:57 pre podne »
hahha necemo se tako igrati ..

naravno da hocemo
ja sam zensko, ja biram partnera, ja biram igru  :lol:

salu na stranu, nisam sigurna dal tebi samo treba neko za raspravu ili pokusavas da razumes ono sto govorim
da li ce tef per se nekom pomoci da skine kg, ne, nece i to nije sporno
ali da li se moze iskoristiti, da, moze
unesi 2000kcal u jednom obroku, neka tef bude 250, neka iskoristis jos 750 iz tog obroka, 1000 ti se skladisti. podeli 2000 na 5 obroka, to je 400kcal po obroku koje se mogu iskoristiti i neka je tef 50 po obroku. o tome pricam tvrdoglavo stvorenje lol
brojevi su proizvoljni naravno  :lol: :lol: :lol:
nego si se ti uhvatio da dokazes da je tef isti dokle god je br kalorija isti. slazem se. ali u prvom slucaju nece nista znaciti dok se u drugom moze iskoristiti u korist onog ko skida kg


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« Odgovor #59 poslato: Oktobar 06, 2009, 10:07:45 pre podne »
Und3i2 mozesh li pojasniti sta je tef?