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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2010, 12:45:54 AM »
3 main componants to the last week of contest. Water, Carbing, and electrolyte balance. Thought I would post something on water first and go from there. I won't claim to know it all but the stuff I know Ill always back up with logic and scientific info.

Gradually reducing water over 3 days to me is a big myth. The problem with this is that although your reducing water your also carb loading(Another misstake). This is a major problem in that those carbs have a 3:1 ratio of attracting water and will cause major subq water.
On top of that by taking diuretics on the day before contest your trying to fight what you have been doing over the last days. You end up pulling water from the muscle and get a flatter less vascular look and still hold subq water. Also by gradually decreasing your water your body goes into its mode of trying to maintain homeostasis. This means the body is trying to hang on to water within the body. NOT WHAT WE WANT.
So how do we counteract all of this.

First we need to make use of the fact that the body will try to maintain homeostasis. If by limiting water the body hangs onto it then by increasing water it will let go of it. We do this by increasing water consumption drastically all the way to the day or day and a half before contest. Upwards of 4 gallons should be taken in. Our goal is to lower the antidiuretic hormone which is what causes the body to hang onto water. However we also need to manite some minerals as well. To lower ADH levels Water needs to be increased along with sodium and potassium needs to be somewhat decreased.
So along with taking in around 4 gallons of water one should be taking in 1500mg-2g of sodium, along with a tab of dyazide broken up throughout the day to lower potassium levels. This is where the aldactone is brought in as well due to it being an ADH blocker. By doing this the body will literally be a fountain, yes youll be ing all the time but that is the goal.
We keep everything like this till we decide to cut water then we stop everything, except the aldactone. Say on friday, your body is still in the mode to excrete so it does just that and you will be able to take off much of the water through that method alone, however lasix can be supplemented to help with the process.
I know this is a lot but read it over and give me any questions, comments, or so on. Once we get an understanding of this I have a schedule to follow. NOW, I am not saying that follow everthing to a tee and youll be perfect.
So what I do is come up with a schedule, then about 5 weeks out we do a test run to see how your body reacts and make adjustments based on this. Allright let me know what you think and well go from there. PEACE

ALDOSTERONE-- Aldosterone acts on the kidney promoting the reabsorption of sodium ions (Na+) into the blood. Water follows the salt and this helps maintain normal blood pressure.
The secretion of aldosterone is stimulated by:
• a drop in the level of sodium ions in the blood
• a rise in the level of potassium ions in the blood
The secretion of Aldosterone could be depressed by high levels of sodium and low levels of potassium in the blood

ANITDIURETIC HORONE
A deficiency of ADH or severe lowering of the hormone
• inheritance of mutant genes for its receptor
leads to excessive loss of urine, a condition known as diabetes insipidus. The most severely-afflicted patients may urinate as much as 30 liters (almost 8 gallons!) of urine each day. The disease is accompanied by terrible thirst, and patients must continually drink water to avoid dangerous dehydration.
The release of ADH (from the posterior lobe of the pituitary gland is regulated by the osmotic pressure of the blood.
• Anything that dehydrates(diuretics) the body, such as perspiring heavily,
• increases the osmotic pressure of the blood
• turns on the ADH -> V2 receptors -> aquaporin pathway.
The result:
• As little as 0.5 liter/day of urine may remain of the original 180 liters/day of nephric filtrate.
• The concentration of salts in the urine can be as much as four times that of the blood. (But not high enough to enable humans to benefit from drinking sea water, which is saltier still.)
• If the blood should become too dilute (as would occur after drinking a large amount of water),
ADH secretion is inhibited and lower ADH leads leads to excessive loss of urine, a condition known as diabetes insipidus. The most severely-afflicted patients may urinate as much as 30 liters (almost 8 gallons!) of urine each day. The disease is accompanied by terrible thirst, and patients must continually drink water to avoid dangerous dehydration.
A large volume of watery urine is formed (with a salt concentration as little as one-fourth of that of the blood).
Note-In 24 hours the kidneys reclaim
• ~1,300 g of NaCl
• ~400 g NaHCO3
• ~180 g glucose
• almost all of the180 liters of water that entered the tubules.

The steps:

Summurary
• By taking in large amounts of water one can lower ADH levels and cause the body to release large amounts of water. Aldosterone levels can be lowerd meaning by taking in a higher amount of sodium and lowering potassium levels which will cause less sodium retention in the blood and hence less water retention.
• 1)Increase Sodium levels dramatically,
• 2)Decrease Potassium levels
• 3)Dramatically increase water intake to over 3 gallons so as to inhibit ADH and cause the body to release water. With aldosterone levels low the body will have a greater tendancy to allow water to be released since the reuptake of sodium is low and excretion of water is high.

• Sunday Possibly-Monday-Tuesday-Wed
Starting friday water is kept at 2 gallons then Sunday or Monday pumped to 3.5 to 4 gallons of every day starting so as to decrease ADH levels which will cause the body to release water. At the same time high levels of Sodium should be introduced(1500mg or more depending on body wt.) and potassium restricted so as to lower Aldosterone levels .
There should be no need to worry about the high sodium levels causing water retention as the body will be in a flushing state. One could possibly use a diuretic at the begining of the water load to establish a low potassium base as well as use aldacotone along the way to keep aldosterone levels low however I think this would work so well one might not need it.
 During this time low potassium vegatables would need to be used during carb depletion. On Wed or Thur depending on how one reacts water can be restricted to 6oz per meal, sodium should now be limited.
Thursday potassium could be reintroduced into the body to prevent cramping without the worry of over compensation and a washed out look as with might happen when trying to restore potassium with a heavy potassium secreting diuretic. As with the carb depleting the carb loading phase should limit carbohydrates high in potassium so as to keep the aldosterone levels in check.
I would surmise that if all is timed right one should be able to lose a large amount of water wed or thur through friday night without the use of any diuretic.
Depending on where one is friday night a diuretic could be used to rid the body of that last bit of water. However this is where it is very important to replenish sodium.
People are very afraid of salt, however they don't realize that by maniting salt intake at the right time they can cause their muscle fullness and vascularity to blow through the roof. Again another topic for another thread. Also, I know there those out there that throw in aldactone leading up to contest,, although I don't see anything wrong with it as aldactone is an ADH blocker,, the people I have worked with didn't need to use it, but I don't see it as hurting anything.

Aldosterone is more directly related to fluid VOLUME not the amount of fluid in the body....When the body detects that there is not enough blood volume aldosterone is secreted which then causes sodium to be recirculated throughout the body in order to increase blood plasma volume.... When you Severely increase sodium blood volume increases VIA WATER and the opposite happens... So first aldosterone is not going be raised during fluid and sodium loading it WILL BE LOWERED which means that instead of recirculating sodium the body will attempt to get rid of it and with sodium water follows.... Now to answer your question,, typically the body will continue to excrete sodium for a period of 12-20hrs I have found with people before it starts homeostasis or normalizing out.... This is why I have people stop their sodium and water Thursday afternoon to late evening,, let them off what they can naturally till friday afternoon and if need be supplement with a diuretic... Hope this makes it a bit more clear....

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Mr. Jonny-O has it correct.
Aldactone 50mg for the last week.
Dyazide 50-100mg for the last day or two.

And don't forget to ****Load ---> work wonders
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CARB LOADING:
Thought I would add another topic to this discussion. Feel free to chime in or disagree. I am basing this off of what many people have always followed as the base carb depleting and loading method. Something that I unfortunately followed when I competed because as with most, it was what was shown to me by someone who competed. Let me premise this with first enlightening people where the whole ideology came of needing to carb deplete for 3 days then load for the same amount of time. During the cold war Russian Sports Scientists came up with this method based on studies with their athletes. However more recent study has shown that although this method worked to an extent it is less efficient then the current "speed loading" most athletes use,, except bodybuilders that is because many are stuck in the old ways as well as are following what they were told by a guy who was told by a guy and so on. So without further adue, here goes.

Myth-Carb depleting for 3 days then loading will help the body to super compensate and store glycogen more efficiently.
Truth- In all actuality it is not depleting carbs that causes the body to super compensate but rather the sudden increase of carbs that is the cause of extra glycogen storage. Lets say your at 200 grams of carbs per day and over the next 16 hrs you increase your carb intake to 600grams. The body doesn't immediately store these extra carbs as fat but rather shoves them into the muscle. Yes, if you were to keep at an increased rate of carb intake the body would eventually start to store it as body fat, however the body works in a more reactive way, or homeostasis as many are familiar with. Therefore the body stores carbs where there is room, the muscle which can be thought of as an elastic container that expands as things are put into it. Basically that the reason so many people go flat, end up smooth, or can't get rid of water is because they have carbed up to much using a very outdated methodology.

Myth-It takes 3 days to carb the body up.
Truth- The body can be fully carbed within 16-24 hrs. The whole idea that it takes 3 days to carb the body is again based on old theory. Plus if you think about all the insulin mimickers as well as actual insulin being used the carb up process can be attained much faster. Now before anyone freaks out and says "hey I found a flaw in his theory and this guy is insane because anyone who knows anything knows using insulin will cause water retention" STOP.. I have a whole lot more to cover not only in this but in other topics. Anyway the point is, once again I believe people come into a show soft, flat, and water logged because they are over carbed.
As many know the muscle volume you see on stage is due to Glycogen storage and carbs pull water into the muscle. So explain this to me. Why do most people gradually DEPLETE water while at the same time try to FILL the muscle full of carbs? Does this make any sense to anyone? Its like trying to Push and Pull at the same time.

Here is the most common scenario that is pla out. People deplete carbs starting a week out then as they get close to the show they begin dropping water, usually at 3 gallon Wed, 2 gallon Thur, and 1 gallon to sipping Friday then hit their diuretic.
They usually look somewhat full but are fighting to keep it by Saturday morning along with their vascularity which has nothing to do with carbs but is rather a sodium issue which Ill get into another time. How many times have you heard someone say they looked good but they just didn’t have that fullness and vascularity they had 2 weeks out. But rather than changing things up they keep going with the same method with the odds against them hoping that it will just time right.
Now before I get reamed let me say that yes I have seen the standard method of water and carbing work, HOWEVER I guarantee you that more times than not it will not work and will NEVER work as good as following the body’s natural guidelines. So what other option is there???

Well lets look at what we want. We want the Sub Q water to be as limited as possible, we want muscles to be full of glycogen and some water, and we want crazy vascularity. This is where it takes that whole idea of breaking away from the norm and going against what we have always heard. So a brief overview of what I have people do consists of first depleting the body of carbs pretty much the standard way and increasing Protein throughout the week to increase diuresis. And instead of starting water depletion on wed I have them take in full water all the way through Friday to get the body in a “flushing” state.
Sometimes I have them use a diuretic however I have found that it is not always needed. So Friday night comes, the person is fully depleted of carbs and water so what now. EAT, EAT, EAT. I am sure many of you have heard of the whole “**** Loading” phase that has caught on and I do believe it is a MUCH better and more physiologically based method of carbing up than any other.
It’s the whole idea that once the body is depleted of carbs and water then you have LESS chance of overspill, and can use insulin much more efficiently to carb up because there is not water to cause sub Q retention. The other factor is that when one takes in carbs they first go to the most needed area, MUSCLE. Now as stated carbs pull water SOOO what do you think happens to any Sub Q water that is left in the body?? That water is going to be pulled into the muscle. Granted I haven’t really la down exactly how to go about all this but merely given some principles for what I believe is the better method of carbing up. Once again I won’t claim to know everything but I will try to back up what I say with common sense and using the body’s natural system of balance. There are a few other areas that Id like to get discussion going on such as sodium, diuretics, potassium, ect.. but will see if anyone is interested in. Hope this makes sense and feel free to add to it, question it, and debate it.
I have some pics that I am having trouble resizing but will post them of a heavyweight I helped out for two shows that were TWO weeks apart. Anyone who competes know how hard it is to dial in for shows that close together, but we NAILED it right on and the guy walked away with a mother load of trophies and everyone was freaking out as he was eating JUNK food back stage lol.

My point is that most guys will deplete for 3 days thinking that it will cause supercompensation.... And then think they can load up for 3 days on carbs and be ok,,, in my opinion 3 days of carbs is to much and I was pointing out that the 3 day deplete will not really help.... The reason I do go so very low on carbs is beacause I want the body to be releasing as much water as possible... ITS FOR A WATER MANITION reason rather than a carb reason.... Also upping the Protein is for a water reason.... If you look at the thread where I post TRIAL RUN youll see what I suggest for helping with timing...If you don't have the oppurtunity to do so then yea it will be harder,,, when I have worked with guys who do not have the chance to do so I ask them lots of questions to get an idea of how their body reacts and equate that into what we do.... Most guys I will start complex carbs around friday afternoon,, continue to dry them out a bit then start loading up friday night...Once they are full and especially if so early then keep em eating.... and no water,,, time the water in the hrs leading up to stage time... Don't know if this helped much...

Heres my basic protocol if you will....

Sunday through Thursday afternoon or late afternoon lots of water and salt everything...

Thursday between 12pm and 5pm I have them stop both water and sodium and add in a natural diuretic along with 1g of Vitamin C every few hrs.... I let the body excrete as much water naturally to about friday afternoon...

If not as dry as I would like them to be on friday we supplement with a diuretics.. I DO NOT LIKE ALDACTONE as I feel lasix and demodex are much easier to control.... but thats me.....

My last guy who was a light heavy weight did not need a diuretic AT ALL.... but I keep them on hand in case...

Friday evening we start carbing up,, what you have to remember to a degree is that carbing up should help dry the person out... due to the fact that as glycogen levels fill whatever sub Q water is left should be drawn into the muscle...

You stated that you were nervous about stopping water so early and having them sip through friday due to not taking in water with a **** load.....

Most guys I don't let have water,, they suck on some ice cubes,,, plus you have to remember that the body will be depleted and as long as its in the right moderation any water taken in will be drawn into the muscle as glycogen levels replenish... In fact usually Saturday morning I have guys take in water based on how much they have ed(I have them pee into a baby bottle so I can measure intake/output)..... I guess what I am saying is that no your ADH levels will not hold out throughout after the show,,but it doesn't matter because your guy should be dry by the time friday night hits.... Part of it is kind of an "eyeing" thing... I am able to tell what guys need to do by looking at them or hearing what they tell me over the phone... So while there is a general routine,, part of it is going with the flow and making changes along the way.....
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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2010, 12:15:41 PM »
Not being able to use Tren or Mast due to being allergic to the oil totally sucks bro. Well, if you can't use those, I would do this......


At least you have the original SD, that stuff will dry you out and harden you up comparable to tren, but it is much betterr at maintaining size and fullness.

1. First of all, you rusing WAY too much clen if your heart rate is up to 150 beats a minute for 5 damn hours. Fuck that! That is way to fuckin' high to stay at that range and will fuck you up and put you in the hospital (as well as causing heart damage if it stays there over and over agains for days).
Lower it right now! Your heart rate should be slightly elevated, but nothing like that unless you want to fucking die! Your heart cannot maintain a 150 BPM rate for 10-12 hours a day for 2 weeks.

Go down to 10 mcg and check your heart rate. If it is fine, increase to 20 mcg, etc. Clen is very effective when you first begin using it even at a low dose. You can always up the dose right away if your fine, but you hould always start out slow and work your way up. Too many guys have ended up in the hospital because they started out too high. If your heart rate went any higher than it did, you should have been admitted to the hospital.

2. Being that you have the original SD and cannot use tren or mast, I would not cut it completely out when using Halo or you will lose way too much size and fullness. For the last two weeks, follow this AAS protocol:

* Up your SD to 20 mg/day. (last 2 weeks)
* Add 20 mg/day of Halo. (last 2 weeks)
* Up your Winny to 100 mg/day. (last 2 weeks)
* Test susp. at 300 mg/week. (drop it 8 days before the show)
* A-dex at 2 mg/day. (now until the show)

* Clen. (your heart rate should not exceed about 90 BPM when the drug is active. Otherwise, it is too stressfull on the heart. Even 90 BPM when at rest for 10-12 hours a day is stressfull on the heart for a 2 week period. Some people may tell you differently, but I choose to stay on the safe side when it comes to potential acute heart problems).

Yes, you can safely use SD, Halo, and Winny in that amount for a 2 week period without worrying about your liver falling out. I would add Liv 52 if you have the funds. Some will say that Liv 52 is not effective as claimed, but I have seen some guys get blood work both with and without it and I am a believer.

You will see a lot of the water retention from the test go away when you up the A-dex to 2 mg/day, but trust me when I tell you that you will be even drier if you drop it alltogether 8 days prior to the contest. You may think your looking fuckin' awsome when on the test and A-dex, but drop the test at 8 days out and you will improve your dryness by another 5-8%.

You will defintely want to carb load before the show a little because your on a keto diet, but not too much. When one adds too many carbs into the diet right after being keto for so long, the body can easily and often does rebound too much and can end up holding water, which can quickly ruin all your hard work and make you look like you did at 4 weeks out. Anyone remember Dennis Wolf this last September?

My suggestion is too add only a moderate amount of carbs back into your diet for the last 2 days only. Add them in in small amounts with each meal and carefully analyze how you look after each feeding. If you get ANY water retntion at all and you have to back off right away and stop loading, but you shouldn't have that problem if you do it slowly and moderately.

Please don't fuck with your salt intake too much; it can screw everything up. All you need to do is cut back on it by about 50% for the last 2 days before the show, while using a diuretic, some glycerin, moderate carb loading and a little reduction in water intake. Put it together like this...

1. 2 days before the show, cut your salt intake by 50%....not to zero, or you will go flat and not be able to get a pump onstage. Just cutting it by 50% in combination with these other things that follow will make you dry without going flat or losing your pump.

2. 2 days before the show, add in your carbs a little at a time, while keeping the overall amount moderate at best.

3. 2 days before the show, add in an OTC diuretic instead of prescription to minimie room for error. Any of the well known reputable companies make a good product. MHP makes a good one.

4. 2 days before the show, add in 20 grams of glycerin a day (may cause somach upset; if it does, reduce amount slightly). This will fill you out and bring fluid into the muscles and out of the skin, making you dry and full.

5. The night before the show, cut your water intake by 50% until after the show. If you cut it anymore when your using a diuretic, you will go flat. Also, your body will be using every bit of water it has to pull the carbs into the muscle, so simply adding in the carbs will improve your condition.


* If you can, try to tan in a taning bed the morning of the show, or the night before if you have to. This will dry out your skin a little more.

* Make sure you have your color right, as this can absolutley RUIN ALL your hard work. If you have never applied clor before, try practicing this once before your show; probably right around now. Better to walk around peeling for a few days now than to fuck your color up the day of the show.

My suggestion is to get a base tan in a tanning bed and NOT to just rely on tan in a bottle for all your color. It NEVER looks as good or as natural and there is a greater chance of screwing it up when having no base tan, as being too white can clash with the color and make your color look funny. Having a base tan seems to accentuate the tan in a bottle and make it look better than when applying it alone.

* Bring 2 pairs of trunks and slippers for your feet backstage, so that you don't walk out on stage with black soles or have to walk out in dirty or sweaty trunks if they get soiled.

* Make sure you have 2 copies of your musci in case on gets lost. Losing your music, or if it's breaks will fuck everything up bad.

* Start working on your posing right now for at least an hour every night. Perfect it so that every pose is done perfectly and effortlessly.

* Start working on your routine right now if you already haven't. You should not even have to think about your routine when you go onstage, as it should be ground into your mind and be 2nd nature.

You can come into the show looking phenomenal, but knowing how to do your poses can make the difference bewteen 1st and 6th place and I am not fucking kidding. Mastering your poses and transitions between poses can make you look 300% better than you are. Do your poses in a way that perfectly compliment your individual physique. If you aren't sure how to do this, find someone with experience to help you.

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1. lowered the clen to 10- fine , nxt day 20 split up, today 20 all at once. doing good. upping to 30 tomorrow.

2. I am going to be able to up the winny to 100/day 2 weeks out. I am not sure if i am going to be able to add halo, if i do, it will only be 1 week before. I upped adex to 2mg/day, i look better. will up sdrol to 20mg 2 weeks out. test was at 420, slowly dropping to 300, now at 350. already feeling more tired.

Q) if i can not get halo, do i still drop the test 8 days out?
also i am getting stronger and leaner now and my bw increased 1 lb in the past 3 days. i am getting worried i will not make my weight class. 170 now. need to be 165 in 2 weeks. should i adjust the anabolics to prevent this weight gain in muscle?

if i am just barely making the weight, do i still carb load? will 100 carb a day on restricted water really make me gain weight?
i just know the day after my show last year, literally, i went frm 154 to 162 from eating pizza and ice cream and looked very full but lost a bit of cuts.

thanks again.
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1. Yes, drop the test 8 days out at the latest. 2 weeks is safest.


2. Add the halo in as soon as you can get it, even if it's the last week.


3. Good job on the clen.


4. Making weight will be easy.

* For one, you will continue to lose fat, especially with the clen. If you do not start dropping your BF%, you need to up your cardio. Do one session every morning before eating; this is the mosy important session. Do another one prior to bed.

* Two, you will using a diuretic to drop your water before the show. This will easily pull 5 lb's of water out of you right there. Adding muslce is NOT a problem. You are already very close to your weight class. after the Water and the rest of the BF goes, you will be right at the top of the weight class.

* Your BF% just isn't low enough. 6-7% is NOT adequate. You must get it down to at least 4%. Your clen, twice daily cardio sessions (if necessary) and diet will get you there. Do it and don't make excuses; do what is necessary because that's what men do.

Once you cut your water and use a diuretic, add a few carbs back into your diet to fill out and to bring out your vascularity (do NOT overdo it because you could blow it), you will look absolutely peeled at 4% BF.

* Also, cutting your test out will have you drop some water for sure.

* Make sure your NOT using creatine MONOHYDRATE in any amount. You definitely SHOULD be using kre-alkylyn, as it will fill you out and keep you dry.


5. Do not drop your anabolic dosages.

* If your worried about weight, do what is suggested above to make weight. You have at least 10-12 lb's of extra weight on you at 6-7% BF and 170 lb's in the form of fat and water. About 3.5-5.0 lb's of fat still needs to be dropped to bring you down to 4%. After that, you have an easy 6 more lb's of water to take off to be really shredded and peeled. Your weight is fine.

Remember, some athletes will drop up to 20 lb's of water in one day to make weight for a weight class. You have nothing to worry about, or shouldn't.


6. Good job on increasing the A-dex.


7. Safe and effective carb loading.

* Have your first day of loading 72 hours before the show. Ease into to and see how your body responds. I would increase your carbs from 100 grams a day to maybe 250 grams a day only.

* Do the majority of your carb loading (only moderate) 48 hours before the show, so you can make adjustments 24 hours before the show if necessary.

I would not consume anymore than 400 grams of carbs on this day, to gaurantee you don't spill over. Your body will soak all those 400 grams of carbs right up and you will still be rock hard, probably harder because of the fullness. Even your condition should visibly improve because of the increased seperation that is a result of your skin tightening around your muscles from the carb loading. Being flat takes away from seperation...remember Dennis Wolf?

* If all is well at the 24 point after your biggest day of carbs and you have kept yourself completly dry (which you should if you don't overdo it), just eat maybe 250 grams of carbs your last day before the show.


8. Make sure to only cut your water to only eight 8 oz. glasses the last 24 hours before the show (no less). I know I had advised to cut it the night before the show in my prior post, but I changed it to this, as it will work better with the above suggested carb loading schedule.

* This is safe and effective with little room for error. It leaves your body with enough water to soak up the carbs, but not so much to cause you to hold any excess. Dropping water too much for too long is one of the biggest mistakes even the pro's make all the time, which leads to looking very flat.

* Remember, the carb loading itself will cause a diuretic effect on the skin by drawing subcuntaneous water from out of the skin and drawing it into the muscle with the carbs. Carbs require water to enter the muscle and each gram of carbohydrate takes 3 grams of water with it.

* keep your water intake high until the night right before the show. Your body will be used to eliminating a lot water if you have been keeping it high for several weeks, so when you cut it down to eight 8 ox glasses a day, it will eliminate a lot of water.

* If you are not VERY familiar with presciption diuretics, do NOT use them, but use an OTC one, as there is less room for error and some of them are pretty darn good.
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1. Break The Law
2. Look Good Naked

Steroids will cause your kidneys to explode, your heart to blow a ventricle, and your liver to squirt out of your arse, fly across the room, and knock the cat off the futon.

The most obvious symptom is death which would hardly be missed by even the most focused and intensive bodybuilder.

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« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2010, 06:53:01 AM »
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Osim ovoga ne moguce je pricati samo o jednoj komponenti (destilovanoj) da bi se doslo do nekog zakljucka bez uzimanja u obzir kompletnog arsenal od hemije i ishrane koju neki takmicar koristi

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.ja to pogledam kazem nije to 0uh ali ko sam ja da to kazem ako oni to primene na sebi i postignu rezultat.

a koji rezulatat?
na takmicenju koje vrste  :rolleyes01: :hitself:

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« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2010, 11:12:17 PM »
I have been reading so many posts about when will my gear kick in...and quite frankly i am gettin gsick of it...so i decided to put up a post that will explain all of that in about as clear format as i can. No matter what gear you take, this formula applies to everything, the acctual numbers might be fictitious but the concept is the same no matter what gear you choose.
First off all let’s clear up the idea of esters. Esters do not slow down the initial release of hormones into blood stream they only extend the half-life of the drugs.
Half-life mean that, that is you inject certain amount of drug, in a certain amount of day half of that drug will still be active. For example if you take 250mg of drug and it’s half life is 7 days, that means that in 7 days there will be 125mg of that drug still active in your system.
With all AS once they are injected there is a huge release that takes place and most of the drug is in your system within 1 day. The only reason that some people do not feel the effect immediately is that the buildup of that drug to substantial/effective amount takes place over time.
There is a solution to that; it’s called front loading. Front loading means taking double or triple (I recommend double) amount of the drug on your first day of the cycle. For example if you were planning to take 250mg of Sust per week, you would take 500mg on day 1 of your cycle. I hope this all makes sense and clears up a few misconceptions about “when is my gear going to kick in”, because it’s RIGHT NOW!!! As I said it works for everything, EQ, Deca, Test any ester, Tren Eenth, Masteron everything…just the half life’s change.

Regular way of taking AS and its natural buildup progression:
Day 1 – 250mg
Day 7 – 125mg + 250mg = 375mg
Day 14 – 187.5 + 250mg = 437.5mg
Day 21 – 219.2 + 250mg = 469.2mg
Day 28 - 234.6 + 250mg = 484.6mg
Day 35 – 242.3 + 250mg = 492.3mg
Day 42 – 246.1 + 250mg = 496.1mg


Now progression with “Double Dose” front loading:
Day 1 – 500mg
Day 7 – 250mg + 250mg = 500mg
Day 14 – 250mg + 250mg = 500mg
Day 21 – 250mg + 250mg = 500mg
Etc.

Front-loading steroid cycles

There is a lot of scrutiny regarding proper anabolic-androgenic steroid cycle structure for maximal muscle gains with minimal risks. Front loading is one practice gaining attention in the bodybuilding community. This process immediately elevates blood androgen levels. Front loading omits the customary delay of obtaining peak and stable blood levels by increasing the cycle’s front-end use.

Athletes stumble onto AAS use while scavenging for further ways to promote a progressive strength training routine – especially bodybuilders and powerlifters. Strength athletes often search for ways to develop productive steroid cycling protocols by combining the clinical research that is available with personal experience; as well as gathering insight from others. Formal clinical trials analyzing anabolic steroids in sports and exercise are rare. The medical community perceives little application for large performance-enhancing amounts of AAS to treat disease – even though many athletes would argue poor performance is an adverse health condition. Mostly through trial and error, numerous informal studies and private research examines various steroid cycling methods and how they can present a positive impact on performance and body composition.

Steroid hormones meant for intramuscular injection have attached fatty (carboxylic) acid esters to delay the hormone’s actions. They create a slow-release depot within the muscle for sustained and even blood levels. Instead of being immediately metabolize, the parent hormone is steadily released for days, or weeks. The rate at which the hormone is released is based on the ester’s characteristics; such as length and weight. Commonly available heavy, long esters are: enanthate, cypionate or decanoate.

Due to a slow release, when a steroid with an attached heavy ester is injected at routine intervals, peak plasma concentrations can take weeks to elevate and remain stable. This is why most users do not notice performance results with heavy esters until a few weeks into the AAS cycle. Plasma levels must first build up to significant amounts to support the events associated with gains in strength and muscle mass. The ester’s speed of release is typically documented by it’s associated half-life, the time it takes for half of the administered steroid to metabolize. Active lives are also published, indicating the estimated time for full absorption of the compound.

Many bodybuilders and powerlifters have begun to omit the waiting period for peak blood levels with front loading. Most users report muscular gains are best made during the first several weeks of an anabolic steroid cycle; results dwindle after six to eight weeks of application. Immediately flooding the system with growth hormones makes the most of this sensitive period. Simply put: front loading gets the cycle started quicker – while the body is most receptive of growth cues. Also, a quicker onset can present an option for shorter cycle duration; resulting in less impact to the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis for easier post-cycle recovery of natural androgen production.

Normally, the same drug administered during the cycle is used to front load. The perfect front-load can be accurately calculated for stable release using figures and charts, but it’s cumbersome. There is some simplified guidance for front loading a heavy-ester cycle. First, calculate weekly use; administering 250 milligrams of testosterone enanthate every three days is equal to 583 milligrams per week (250/3*7). Then, double the weekly use and administer that amount prior to the first half life from the first injection – around four days for testosterone enanthate. Alternatively, the same compound with a lighter ester can be used, such as acetate or propionate.

Today, many users are starting to front-load steroid cycles every time a heavy ester is used – to eliminate delayed affects on body composition and strength. Many others merely jump start a cycle with orals or suspensions, drugs without an ester allow quick absorption. Either method will boost blood levels up quickly to fully exploit the early responsive period – a time when the body is primed for growth and will best use the hormonal signals for amplified muscle growth.

According to basic pharmacology, a single dose of 250mg of testosterone enanthate will deliver the parent hormone at it’s highest values the first 10 days; around 31, 27, 23, 20, 18, 15, 13, 12, 10 and nine milligrams, respectfully. After 10 days, the amounts released become negligible. Repeated injections create an overlap that gradually builds up blood levels. Actual amounts are affected by the injection site and technique, personal differences in physiology and the sites body fat levels.


The above cycle illustrates testosterone enanthate administered at 250 milligrams every three days; with and without a front load. The front loaded portion was accurately configured and applied with 500 milligrams on day one, 250 milligrams on day two, a day off and then 250 milligrams every third day for the cycle’s duration. The front load is 1000 milligrams within the first four days – almost twice the weekly administered amount (583mg). Blood testosterone volume is immediately elevated and reasonably stable the first week with the front load.

Non-front-loaded administration did not elevate and stabilize blood levels until over three weeks after the cycle’s launch. This is why results normally don’t manifest themselves for many weeks without a proper front load.
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My goals are very simple:

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2. Look Good Naked

Steroids will cause your kidneys to explode, your heart to blow a ventricle, and your liver to squirt out of your arse, fly across the room, and knock the cat off the futon.

The most obvious symptom is death which would hardly be missed by even the most focused and intensive bodybuilder.

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« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2010, 09:29:25 AM »
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If I had it to do all over again, the only injectable I would ever use is Testosterone. I wouldn't waste one shot on anything else!!!
__________________________________
TESTOSTERONE IS THE SPINAL CORD OF THE BODYBUILDER,,NO SYNTETIC TESTOSTERONE = NO BODYBUILDER
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Natural





The pros are using good old-fashioned Testosterone, Deca, Dianabol, insulin in the off-season, and GH pre-contest. Nothing fancy. But they're the pros because they're gifted, dedicated, and have been at it a long freaking time. Anybody that tells you different is either full of shit or trying to sell you garbage.



My goals are very simple:

1. Break The Law
2. Look Good Naked

Steroids will cause your kidneys to explode, your heart to blow a ventricle, and your liver to squirt out of your arse, fly across the room, and knock the cat off the futon.

The most obvious symptom is death which would hardly be missed by even the most focused and intensive bodybuilder.

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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2010, 10:48:47 PM »
sta mozete da mi kazete za m-drol? cuo sam da daje odlicne rezultate......

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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2010, 09:48:46 PM »
Legalan, toksican, opasan, zajeban....ima pun k**** tih superdroll klonova(beastdroll bi trebalo da je najbolji i najcistiji od njih)

Sumnjam da je ovdje neko to probao

E, i pre nego sto odlucis da probas to smece procitaj ovo:
http://www.aboutlawsuits.com/m-drol-lawsuit-over-liver-damage-7348/